Understanding Truth in Religious Conversations

Part 6 of my on going communication with two Mormon Missionaries. I don’t know how many more of these there will be as we keep circling the same ground. Yet, as long as they reply I suppose I will likewise. (You can read a part one, two, three, four, five)

Gentlemen, 
Thank you. I am feeling better. However, work has been a bit stressful of late. My time has been occupied with things that pay the bills but drain the soul. 

I have no doubt that your prayers are sincere. I didn’t mean to imply otherwise. Simply my goal was to point out that although our prayers are sincere, deception is real. The devil prowls around like a lion seeking whom he may devour. We must diligently seek Truth through prayer and His Word is Truth. The difference that we have is what we consider His Word to be. 

In Adonai’s prayer as you broke it down I would ask, what is the sin that we are repenting of? As you said, repent of all sins? What defines sin? Here I would like to point out that John defines sin in 1 John 3:4. “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” The law in reference here is Torah, sin is the transgression of Torah. It isn’t debatable it is indeed what John wrote. 

We don’t differ on the significance of Yahoshua’s sacrifice either. It is absolutely necessary for salvation. Also, your understanding of the Passover and even Yahoshua’s time in Gethsemane, from what you state, we are similar. However, does this absolve us from obedience? Does it allow us to “do as thou wilt?” As the satanic bible declares will be the whole of the law? By no means. As you yourselves have stated we will know who belongs to the kingdom by their fruits. Our differences lie in what is the sign of good fruit? I say it is sealed by our partaking in the covenant. To put on the Sabbath like a wedding ring. The ring doesn’t save us but it shows the world to Whom we belong. 

I would point out that the cup that Yahoshua prayed about was not a new revelation either. It was the cup of the adulterous bride that we read about in Numbers 5:11-31. The test of adultery of which the people of Israel were guilty. We as well, before coming into covenant relationship with Yahweh through the work of Yahoshua. He drank our cup, took our guilt and shame, bore our iniquity, that we might be forgiven and live. 

There is no need to have deeper meaning within Passover if one truly understands Passover. Yahoshua, the Lamb of Elohim. The perfect sacrifice. We can debate the timing of the crucifixion. Some would say all took place according to the times set forth for Passover. That His death, and resurrection were indeed three literal days and nights. We read that the tomb was discovered empty in the early dawn of the first day. However, this doesn’t mean Yahoshua wasn’t gone long before. Perhaps arising just after sunset or at dusk at the end of the third day. Although, fascinating I don’t believe this is important to our discussion. 

The deep seated importance and symbolism of the Passover was there all along and for all to see. Indeed Yahoshua Himself highlighted these things through out His ministry. And as previously stated, began with the proclamation of John the Baptist on the shores of the Jordan. He said, “Behold the Lamb of Elohim Who takes away the sin of the world.” The breaking of bread has its meaning, the cup in which they partook has meaning. But also there is the idea of the covenant meal. Some refer to this as communion, I did for so time, or the Lord’s Supper, the Eucharist, etc. 

We first see the covenant meal between Abraham and Melchizedek. “Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of Elohim Most High. And he blessed him and said: “Blessed be Abram of Elohim Most High. Possessor of heaven and earth; And blessed be Elohim Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.” Genesis 14:18-20. I would point out the beauty of Adonai’s prayer found in John 17. The whole thing is beautiful and revealing. An in-depth study reveals the vast richness of the heart of Elohim and His Son Yahoshua. One point I have tried to key in on is verses 17-19 “Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for their sake’s I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.” What is truth? “Your word is truth.” His Word, Elohim’s Word, is truth. 

When Paul wrote to Timothy he said something very important. “But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:14-17).

There isn’t a need for new revelation, or clarification in Paul’s writing to Timothy. He simply states, “continue.” What we need can be found in what has been provided. Anything that alters that course is as Paul writes, “But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.” This just before he says, “continue.” 

Gentlemen, I present my point simply. With the Tanakh, and specifically the Torah, I have all that I need to know, to grow and to be. There is nothing more required other than to believe, and to continue. I hope that your Thanksgivings are filled with family, friends, and the making of great memories.

You are loved, 
cj