Podcast Episode: Understanding the Moral Debate: Abortion and its Implications

Podcast Episode: Understanding the Moral Debate: Abortion and its Implications

Pip: There’s a streaming service out there that markets itself on wholesome family content — and somehow that’s where this episode begins, with a hymn, a British abolitionist, and a question that has no comfortable answer.

Mara: cj’s writing takes us into the moral and philosophical territory of abortion, tracing a line from William Wilberforce’s biography through scripture, law, and the question of what we lose when we define life by its quality. Let’s start with that argument.

Understanding the Moral Debate: Abortion and its Implications

Pip: The post opens not with a policy brief but with a biography — specifically, a detail about William Wilberforce that stops the reader cold. The question underneath it is ancient: who decides which lives are worth sustaining?

Mara: The setup is a passage from Stephen Tomkins’s biography of Wilberforce. Here it is: “In later life he often reflected with gratitude that if he had been born in what he was pleased to call ‘less civilized times’, his parents would not have taken the trouble to keep him alive.”

Pip: So the man who dismantled the British slave trade — one of the most consequential moral reformers in history — was himself a weak, sickly child who, by a different calculus, might never have been kept alive. That’s the stakes the post is building toward.

Mara: And the post connects that directly to current law. Massachusetts recently eliminated gestational limits on abortion, joining Alaska, Colorado, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington D.C. The post pulls from Britannica to name the reasons often cited as justification — quality of life, physical or mental well-being, rape, incest, fetal abnormality.

Pip: The post pushes back on the word “serious” in that last category — arguing it’s undefined, that what counts as serious shifts person to person, and that the word functions more to soften opposition than to set a real boundary.

Mara: Right. And the post returns that back to Wilberforce: poor eyesight, small, sickly — none of it disqualifying by the standards of his time and place, but potentially disqualifying by ours. The post asks, plainly, how many breakthroughs, leaders, and lives were foreclosed by that same reasoning.

Pip: It’s a question the post acknowledges no one can answer — and says no one dares try.

Mara: The post closes with scripture from James, First Peter, and Ecclesiastes, grounding the argument in the idea that life is knit together by the Creator — and that choosing otherwise is, in the post’s own image, ripping the needles from His hands.

Pip: The metaphor lands harder than most policy arguments do.


Mara: The thread running through all of this is the question of what we lose when quality of life becomes the measure of a life worth living.

Pip: Wilberforce wouldn’t have passed that test. Worth sitting with before the next episode.

Read the post in its entirety here: Understanding the Moral Debate: Abortion and its Implications

Understanding the Moral Debate: Abortion and its Implications

Understanding the Moral Debate: Abortion and its Implications

“What is the meaning of life?” “To be or not to be? That is the question.” “There is a time for every purpose under heaven.” “Live in the moment, walk humbly, work hard.” “Vanity, all is vanity.”

I subscribed to a streaming service the other day. It prides itself on wholesome, family entertainment. I caved, after seeing a particular trailer for a film that I could only find on their streaming platform. The film was called, Amazing Grace. From Google, “The film tells the true story of British politician William Wilberforce. He led a long fight to end the slave trade in the 18th century. It also features the hymn’s writer, former slave trader John Newton.”

After watching the movie, Amazing Grace, I was moved to learn more about William Wilberforce. I found a Biography on William Wilberforce, written by Stephen Tomkins. I am only a few pages in and I read this paragraph.

“Robert and his wife Elizabeth had three children besides William – all daughters – but only one of the girls, Sarah, survived infancy, and William himself was a weak, sickly child, small and with poor eyesight. In later life he often reflected with gratitude that if he had been born in what he was pleased to call ‘less civilized times’, his parents would not have taken the trouble to keep him alive.”

I was struck by the last line, “his parents would not have taken the trouble to keep him alive.” My mind immediately went to Massachusetts new abortion law eliminating any gestational limits. Not to single out a single state as it isn’t limited to just Massachusetts. In fact, they simply joined a growing list of states to take this step securing the right to abortion up to birth. The states Massachusetts joins, Alaska, Colorado, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and the District of Columbia (Washington D.C.).

What are the reasons for abortion that some find being a “good argument”? In my readings on it, it appears to be mainly, quality of life. Here is an exert from U.S. Abortions Rights by State, at Britannica.com. “Induced abortions can be performed for various reasons, including to preserve the mother’s physical or mental well-being, in cases of rape or incest, to prevent the birth of a child with serious abnormalities, or for social or economic reasons. When abortions are performed to preserve the mother’s well-being or in cases of rape or incest, they are often considered therapeutic.”

Some will call me deceptive for not highlighting the word serious when talking about abnormalities. Well, my reasoning is quite simple, serious is undefined, what constitutes serious for one individual may not for another. Therefore, serious is added to quiet dissension, and for no other reason.

Imagine if William Wilberforce’s parents lived in a society such as ours, in such moral decay. What would have been his outcome? I find it striking that Stephen Tomkins points out that William thought it a good thing that he wasn’t born in ‘less civilized times’, or his parents might have chosen not to keep him alive. It sounds barbaric and yet here we are in 2026, modern medical advancements beyond imagination when William Wilberforce was born, August 24, 1759.

How many William’s never saw the light of day because of convenience, or quality of life? How many medical breakthroughs lost, cultural revolutionary leaders missing, quality of life enhancements never realized, because of ‘therapeutic’ reasons? No one can answer those questions. No one dares try.

“What is the meaning of life?” “To be or not to be? That is the question.” “There is a time for every purpose under heaven.” “Live in the moment, walk humbly, work hard.” “Vanity, all is vanity.”

Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world. James 1:27

If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Messiah. 1 Peter 1:17-19

Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander, like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the Word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation, if you have tasted the kindness of Adonai. 1 Peter 2:1-3

The word says, metaphorically, that we are knit together by God in our mother’s womb. Using this metaphor, when we as a society choose abortion, are we not also ripping the knitting needles out of the hand of the Creator?

The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

You are loved,
cj