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Examining Scriptural Authority in Modern Contexts

Examining Scriptural Authority in Modern Contexts

An on going email conversation with two Mormon Missionaries. Part 5. i encourage you to go back and read parts one, two, three, and four. Although, it isn’t absolutely necessary it would be beneficial.

my friends,

Let me begin by saying there is no need to apologize or explain any delay. This is the joy of email. We get to take our time. Allow life to happen around us while at the same time continue in dialogue.

Have you ever used the word love to express a feeling? For example, one might say, “I love taco’s.” Or “I love my wife.” Or “I love my kids.” Or “I love God.” A couple of points we would agree, all of these things are awesome. In English, we understand that in each instance what we mean by love is different in each of these circumstances. It is true that i love taco’s and i love my kids. However, i do not love them in the same way obviously. Of course my love for Elohim is beyond the limits of our English definition of love. English is a terrible language, it is full of inconsistencies. Partly because over time meanings have changed but also the English language is lacking in depth. 

For a time i taught 6th grade. During class one day we were having a discussion on classic works. We were reading as a class “A Christmas Carol,” by Charles Dickens. As well discussing classic Christmas songs. For the sixth grade mind this wasn’t too far a leap. In the discussion one of the kids genuinely asked, “Why are they putting on gay clothes?” There is a classic Christmas Carol wherein there is a line, “Now we dawn our gay apparel.” Thinking they were putting on flamboyant gay-pride sort of clothing. This allowed for the conversation on language evolution. Gay once meant happy, to be gay didn’t mean to be homosexual, but to be joyful. So context, culture, language, audience, these things matter.

More deeply let us consider the letter ‘J’. When originally introduced had a soft ‘Y’ sound like the Latin ‘J’ still has to this day. For example the name Juan still carries the soft ‘Y’ in its pronunciation. However, even here there has been an evolution of the ‘J’ from that found in ‘Wahn’ to ‘Hey’. It is why the Hispanic cultures pronounce Jesus, Hey-Soos. It is the evolution of language and it can be found in every tongue. Therefore, we must be careful when interpreting things to always go back to as close to the original as possible. Who was the intended target? What was the overarching context? What other words are used that may alter the meanings? How would the original hearers have received the information. Perhaps most importantly from Whom is the origin and what have we been told about Him?

For instance, in Hosea, a book of redemption. A call to repentance, to turn from doing your own way to following the Way of Adonai. We read, “Whoever is wise, let him understand these things; whoever is discerning, let him know them. For the ways of Adonai are right, and the righteous walk in them but the rebellious stumble in them.” Hosea 14:9

Without these steps we are guessing at meanings, applying modern understandings. Over simplifying or over complicating words and meanings. We must be intellectually honest with the text in order to truly understand its meaning. As you state, “So what matters is whether the man who translated it had authority from God to do so.” i would assert that the same intended original meaning, is the same intended meaning for today. For Elohim is the same, yesterday, today and forever. This is His nature, this is what He says of Himself. The origin of the written Word is the Word Himself.  

When talking about authority we must take into account all of this, culture, context, language etc. Who is authorized to speak on behalf of Elohim? Is precisely the point i am trying to make. “But even if we — or, for that matter, an angel from heaven! — were to announce to you some so-called “Good News” contrary to the Good News we did announce to you, let him be under a curse forever!” Galatians 1:8

In all of this what is the test? i would agree it is the Holy Spirits work within the believer to teach and lead in all righteousness. Yet still how do we test the Spirit as we are called to do? We test the Spirit by the Word. Did you know that within the pages of the Quran the reader is instructed to pray for wisdom? 

“My Lord, increase me in knowledge.” Surah Taha 20:114
“O believers! Seek comfort in patience and prayer. Allah is truly with those who are patient” Surah Al-Baqarah 2:153                                        
“Successful indeed are the believers: those who humble themselves in prayer” Surah Al-Mu’minun 23:1-2

We must be careful when instructing others to pray over material, books, writings, notes, even situations. “Stay sober, stay alert! Your enemy, the Adversary, stalks about like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” 1 Peter 5:8

“You believe that “God is one”? Good for you! The demons believe it too — the thought makes them shudder with fear!” James 2:19

“The fact is that such men are pseudo-emissaries: they tell lies about their work and masquerade as emissaries of the Messiah. There is nothing surprising in that, for the Adversary himself masquerades as an angel of light; so it’s no great thing if his workers masquerade as servants of righteousness. They will meet the end their deeds deserve.” 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

“Now the Bereans here were of nobler character than the ones in Thessalonica; they eagerly welcomed the message, checking the Tanakh every day to see if the things Paul was saying were true.” Acts 17:11

This brings me to your point of the Canon of Scripture. The council of Nicea was an abomination. They lacked authority and were lead by pagan “converts” lacking wisdom, knowledge, and integrity. i am sorry you miss understood my point about John and Revelation. Here i was simply trying to state that of all the writers of what we call the New Testament. Only John makes a reference to His letter being for all ages to the end. Not in so many words but the emphasis is there. My point, simply, that Matthew, Mark, Luke, Peter, James, Jude, even Paul himself didn’t write with the intention of Moses. In that what they were saying, wasn’t going to supersede the Torah or the Tanakh. They quoted from the Tanakh. In Acts we read, “On hearing it, they praised Elohim; but they also said to him, ‘You see, brother, how many tens of thousands of believers there are, and they are all zealots for the Torah.’” Acts 21:20

Peter actually speaks directly against the idea that Paul was somehow preaching against the Torah. He writes, “Indeed, he speaks about these things in all his letters. They contain some things that are hard to understand, things which the uninstructed and unstable distort, to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” 2 Peter 3:16

From this, how do we know one is truly walking in the Word? Anointed and worthy of listening? What are the fruits we are to look for? Yes, we can certainly see from ones life, are they a good person. But there are a lot of “good people,” doing a lot of good things, but they deny the Savior Yahoshua. Are these fruits still good to consume, when it comes to how to walk out a life of Faith in Messiah? No, even if we can learn from them on how to care for those around us. We aren’t to listen to them in matters of the Spirit and of Faith.

How do we know someone is walking with Elohim in order to avoid, confusion, contentions, and contradictions? Do they honor the Sabbath? In the book of Acts there are 85 references to the early believers observing the Sabbath Day. Do they honor the Feast Days? Paul in more than one letter talked about His desire to get back to Jerusalem to honor the Feasts. These are the marks of the followers of Elohim. To make this point further let me ask a question, what is sin? Based on the definition of sin, then what is repentance? What did Yahoshua mean when He said, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Me.”?

First, what is sin? For the simplest most straightforward answer we can look to John. John writes, “Everyone who keeps sinning is violating Torah — indeed, sin is violation of Torah.” 1 John 3:4 – Of course as i have stated in previous emails the word Torah is translated law. Most Bibles, of course, read “sin is lawlessness.” Truer yet, sin is Torahlessness. 

There are several references to the lawless one. Also known as the Anti-Christ. Anti or opposition/opposing. What law is he without? What law does he oppose? It isn’t the law of the land, it is indeed the Torah. He opposes Elohim and His Word, therefore he is referred to as Torahless or lawless. 

If we are to repent when we come into relationship with Yahoshua, what is it that we are repenting of? Sin? Which is? It is of course what John sights, “Sin is violation of Torah.” Yahoshua is said to be the Word made flesh. Another quote from John. He said, that He only speaks what the Father speaks and does what the Father does. John 5:19.

To close this point for now let me finish my thought with this quote of Yahoshua. “For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” John 5:46-47. This is the point. We only know sin by the Torah. We only know repentance, through Torah. You only truly understand Yahoshua through Torah.

When Yahoshua, made the statement that He was the Way, the Truth, and the Life. The hearers would have recognized the saying. For you see, the Torah was known as, The Way, Path, and Instruction. It was known as the Truth, “Your Word is Truth.” It was known as the Life, “Man shall not live by bread alone but by every Word of Elohim.” 

There is much more that can be said on this subject. However, this is also a good stopping point. 

If you are just joining the conversation, please go back and read parts one, two, three, and four. (links above in the introduction)

You are loved,
cj

Insights on Prophetic Authority and Scripture

Insights on Prophetic Authority and Scripture

An on going email conversation with two Mormon Missionaries. Part 3.

Hello friends,

i fear we are spreading out into too many topics to truly focus in on understanding. i will do my best to address each one of these topics with fairness of attention. With that said, i also want to let you know that i appreciate our email conversation. It feels good to talk about what i love most.

Let me begin with the topic of Prophets. Since that was the main topic of my last email in response to your question. i would agree with you on the definition of a prophet for the most part. Our differences are mostly inconsequential to address. However, on the point, “determine scripture.” i would have to disagree on this point. As Scripture clearly determines scripture. Man as we see with Rabbinic tradition and the modern Church, has deviated from Scripture. This was identified by Yahoshua during His ministry. In fact, when Yahoshua said, “If you believed Moses then you would believe Me for Moses wrote of Me.” Yahoshua, testified of Himself through the Word. Do prophets have insight, yes. Do they determine, absolutely not. For interpretation, and testimony have always been established by two or three witnesses. One witness is Scripture and that Scripture is the Torah and the Tanakh. If it isn’t there . . . it isn’t worth the time of day. Is there good writings worth study? Sure, i would hope that even my writing leads others to study Scripture for themselves. 

Yahoshua said, “Do not be called Rabbi, for you have one Rabbi.” The idea he was presenting is Scripture is our teacher. The Holy Spirit, leads us into all truth. i know you believe this as you hold to the idea of the “burning in your bosom.” i want to stress again the test of a Prophets authority. That is do they adhere to what has already been written. We are told not to add to or take away from His Word. If that is truth than there is no room for extra books of Scripture. Devotionals, study guides, thoughts, etc? Sure, of course again this clearly is acceptable as i expressed in my last response. Although, i would point out that perhaps John believed what he was writing was indeed going to be canon. The evidence of this would be his final statement in Revelation. “If anyone adds to the prophecy of this book, Elohim will add to him the plaques written herein. Likewise if anyone takes away from the prophecy written in this book, Elohim will take from him their part of the tree of life.” (Revelation 22:18) A pretty scary warning if you ask me. 

This warning written by John isn’t a stand alone passage. He is simply repeating from the Torah and the portion for the Tanakh called the wisdom books. Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32 Here Moses instructs the Israelites not to add to or take from the commands of Elohim. Proverbs 30:5-6 tell us, “Every Word of Elohim is pure and flawless, acting as a shield to anyone who takes refuge in it and trust in Him. Do not add to His Word lest He rebuke you and you be found a liar.” Jeremiah writes in 6:16 – “Ask for the ancient paths: ‘where is the good way?’ Then walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But they say, ‘we will not walk in it!’” Later in 8:8 he writes, “How can you say, ‘we are wise, and the Torah of YHWH is with us,’ when in fact the lying pen of the scribes has produced a deception?’” 

The entirety of Jeremiah’s writings are to call back the people of Elohim to the ways instructed. This was Messiah’s message as well. The sermon on the mount is a call to Torah. He begins with the call to walking in it wholly and holy as intended since it was given. Messiah walked in Torah. He did so without error or His walk would not have been blameless and therefore His sacrifice insufficient, worthless even. Paul tells us, “imitate me as I imitate Messiah.” 

Matthew 5:17-20 – “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish it but to bring its fullness. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot , will pass from the Torah until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of heaven.”

Has heaven and earth passed away? Has Revelation 21 already been fulfilled? If the answer to that is yes, than everything i have said and am about to say is wrong. If the answer is no, which i believe to be the right answer. Everything i have said, and will say, should at the very least, be considered. There is not one thing within the sermon on the mount that cannot be found within the Torah. The difference is it is given in practice. This is how you walk it out. Not in man made traditions and extra laws which the Scribes and Pharisees were guilty of. This is the point of our righteousness exceeding theirs. It was because they honored Elohim with their mouths but their hearts were far from Him. They read from the Torah but they taught from oral traditions. 

Jeremiah puts it this way – “For from the least to the greatest of them, everyone is greedy for unjust gain; and from the prophet to priest, everyone deals falsely. They have healed the wound of my people lightly, saying, ‘Peace, peace,’ when there is not peace. Were they ashamed when they committed abominations? No, they were not at all ashamed; they did not know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; at the time that I punish them, they shall be overthrown,’ says YHWH.” Jeremiah 6:13-15

Yahoshua later in Matthew says this: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others.” Matthew 23:2-5

The seat of Moses is where the Torah was read from in the Synagogue. This is why they were instructed to do whatever they tell you, as they were instructing them in Torah. It was their practices and their self-righteousness that was being rebuked by Yahoshua. The fruit of their lives was success. They were sitting in the seats of authority, a counsel to the emperor of Rome even, to a certain extent. One could say the fruit of their lives were good on the outside. Which again is what Yahoshua was pointing out if we had continued to read Matthew 23. However, we understand the fruit we are to be judged by is that of the spirit – for we will be judged by the acts of the flesh. These two stand in contrast to one another. So those who walk in the Way will exhibit the fruit of the Spirit. Of which we will be able to tell who is and who isn’t walking in the Torah.

We know that Yahoshua was not talking about the Torah being a heavy burden because we read, “For this is the love of Elohim, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.” 1 John 5:3. Also in Deuteronomy 30:11 we read, “For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.” This was written after Moses wrote the covenant renewal in Moab in the previous Chapters. We also read throughout Scripture that the Torah is perfect. Psalm 19:7 “The Torah of YHWH is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of YHWH is sure, making wise the simple…” Romans 7:12 says, ‘So the Torah is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.”

Paul draws the comparison for us in Galatians of which he also expounds on in his letter to the Ephesians. That the flesh and the spirit are at war within us. The flesh is deceptive, the spirit is longing. As all of creation longs to be redeemed. So how will we know what are the signs or the fruit of the Spirit? “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Messiah Yahoshua have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.” Galatians 5:23-24. 

The Gospel message that Yahoshua has brought is the braking of the yoke of the Rabbinic tradition. As well the need for atoning sacrifice, and the temple role of the Levitical Priesthood. Although that role will one day be reinstated for the sacrifice of offering. When one understands the fullness and reason for the sacrificial system and the role of the priest. It becomes clear that it has a designated purpose. Of which for the time being is not necessary or even able to occur. Knowing this before hand, is a major reason for Yahoshua’s death and subsequent resurrection. He became the Atonement the exchange in order that our sins may be forgiven. Paul’s major focus and that of the disciples was spreading the good news. What good news? The once and for all atoning sacrifice of the Messiah. (Another topic all together).

Moving on. i have not yet read all of 3 Nephi. However, i do find it interesting. a good portion of what i have read thus far is simply a reiteration. And that of what we already have written in Scripture. Making it interesting but more historical, this is what was taught to them from the Scriptures themselves. For example 3 Nephi 14:21-23 says: “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven; but he that doth the will of the Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day; Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name, and in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them: I never knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

What is the will of the Father? Did He not instruct us to follow His Torah? And interestingly the word here being translated “iniquity” is also rendered “lawlessness”. We would both agree that the reference is sin. However, the word being translated is better defined “being outside of Torah.” Essentially Yahoshua is saying, “. . . ye that work Torahlessness” John writes about what sin is and how to define it. 1 John 3:4 – “Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.” Again the word here for lawlessness is Torahlessness, sin is Torahlessness. The Torah is defined also as being in the light and out side of Torah as darkness. Understanding this Hebraic idiom we can see that “You once were in darkness, but now are of the light.” Is best understood, “you were once outside of Torah and now have come into Torah.” 

This seems a good stopping point. i wish you both a blessed week as we study and grow in maturity together. 

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cj

Testing Modern Prophets: A Scriptural Approach

Testing Modern Prophets: A Scriptural Approach

An on going email conversation with two Mormon Missionaries. Part 2.

Good Day, 

i want you to know that much prayer and thought go into my responses. As i am sure yours do as well. There is however something to be said of mourning that is important. This may not directly apply to you. As i don’t know if either of you were directly affected by the events in Michigan personally. However, we read of the importance of grieving throughout Scripture. As well, science has proven the process is good for body, mind and soul. Yahoshua said, “Blessed are those who mourn for they will be comforted.” Yahoshua, himself mourned and wept over friends and humanity. Now enough of that. As i believe we are not arguing this point but simply stating ideas each of us hold to be true. It is good to mourn.

i would raise the question that i am sure you have gotten before. That is to the point of eternal marriage. This will also tie into our later discussion on prophets. 

Yahoshua, confronted on marriage said, “Yahoshua answered them, ’The reason you go astray is that you are ignorant both of the Tanahk and of the power of Elohim. For in the resurrection, neither men nor women will marry; rather, they will be like angels in heaven.’” (Matthew 22:29-30) How do you interpret this statement by Yahoshua?

On the question of Prophets being around now. Certainly, it is within the power of Elohim to call Prophets in our modern day. As He calls Pastors, and Teachers alike. The question isn’t whether Prophets are called but rather how one is determined to be a true prophet of Elohim. Many will say that the Election of such positions by congregants of a particular denomination is sufficient. That it reveals the Will of Elohim. And certainly there is a case to be made here. The example of the election of Matthias in the book of Acts to replace Judas. (Acts 1:16-26) As they casted lots and it fell upon him. Of course they had some prerequisites that each man had to meet, like a job interview. Yet still this is the only time Matthias is mentioned. Later, Saul, would be called as an Apostle and is credited with writing half of the ‘New’ Testament. 

Is election by man a sign enough of a Elohim’s calling? No i don’t believe so. For Scripture provides tests for us on determining not only prophets but teachers as well. We are called to test everything. The Berean’s, also found in the book of Acts (Acts 17:10-12) are called noble for their pursuit of truth. They received with eagerness the word of the Apostles. Then went and study the Tanakh to see if what was being taught was truth. If it cannot be found in Scripture then no amount of feelings should persuade one to void Scripture. Again as we stated Elohim is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 

So how does one test the sayings of men who claim to be Prophets of Elohim? By testing everything: 

If they bring a different Gospel, they are not of Elohim. (2 Corinthians 11:3-4). Whether that message is brought by man or angel. If it diverges from the Tanakh it is to be ignored, accursed even. (Galatians 1:8-10) For even Satan masquerades as an angel of light. (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)The Torah tells us of prophets whose prophecy’s do not come to pass. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)
In light of these passages what tests can we give to men who claim to speak for Elohim?       As to not repeat myself or belabor a point. i will just refer you back to the passage in 2 Timothy 3 from my previous response to you. (See previous post, Navigating Belonging).

Do they preach honoring the Sabbath Day as the 4th commandment states? 
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to YHWH your Elohim. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days YHWH made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore YHWH blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.” Exodus 20:8-11

“Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep… for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am YHWH who sanctifies you.” (Exodus 31:13). Do they preach honoring the Feast Days as the Torah teaches?        Here i would just refer you to Leviticus 23 in which the Feasts are given in detail. As well, that it is instructed the foreigner within their gates also celebrate them. This is in line with Romans 11 which teaches us that the Gentiles are grafted into Israel. We do not replace them we become one with them.

Do they preach that the gentiles are grafted into Israel and do not replace them?       
Here again as stated in the previous question on the relevance of the Feast Days. Romans 11 is quite clear that we are grafted in. It is in this that we become a light to Israel. In order to draw them back into covenant with Elohim through the Messiah Yahoshua.

Do they preach honoring the Torah in the fullness presented by Yahoshua? 
In Matthew 5 Yahoshua states, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Torah until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:17-19). The word FULFILL does not mean to do away with but rather to bring clarity. A fuller understanding of . . . in Hebrews we read that the New Covenant is not new like a new pair of shoes but new like the New Moon each cycle. Same moon, new emphasis. The Torah went from written on tablets to being written on our hearts and our minds. 

In conclusion anyone, prophet or teacher, teaching anything contrary to the Torah. These are not of Elohim. Therefore, are not to be feared nor listened to but rather cast out from among the Ekklesia. The heart is deceptive and signs are fleeting. He who believes by faith, to him it is counted unto righteousness. Yahoshua, warned against seeking signs, His word is sufficient. 

Clearly i don’t have all the answers, nor do i have full understanding. However, what i do have is sufficient for teaching, rebuking, correction, and training in righteousness. It is sufficient to complete, and to equip for every good work. As Timothy we are called to continue in what we have learned and have firmly believed. Knowing from whom we have learned it . . . Yahoshua the Word made flesh, He is the Way the Truth and the Life. The Torah is known as the Way, the Path, and Instruction. It is known as the Truth, Your Word is Truth. It is known as the Life, for man shall not live by bread alone but by every Word of Elohim. We do not need new revelation, we simply need to understand the sacred writings already provided to us.

It does bring me joy that you found something worthy of reflection in my book. Thank you for the kind words and the connection to your understanding of things. We are all on a journey of faith and we are all at different points of that journey. Yet, the key to that journey remains the same. We are to seek with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength, Yahoshua through His Word.

Shema Israel! Shema means to listen and obey. It is a declaration and a prayer. i pray every morning, Shema! YHWH our Elohim is ONE Elohim, love Him with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. And the Words commanded in Scripture shall be taught diligently to our children. They are to be talked about in our houses, and as we walk on the way. When we lie down and when we rise. We are to bind them on our hearts and on our minds and write them on the door posts of our houses. (Deuteronomy 6:4-9) 
This is the same message over and over, meditate on the Word day and night. It is the Word that confirms to us truth. If it does not align with Torah then it is rubbish. 

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This is the Way of the Rabbi,
You are loved,
cj